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>> i don't know why, anderson, but i think it's important to note that bashir al assad may interpret that as a green light for everything else. in other words, do everything up to but not including the use of chemical weapons. but at the same time, i do understand the concern about the use of nerve gas which is in their inventory, which depending on how heavily populated the area that they use it on, could result in unbelievable deaths that, you know, possibly in tens of thousands if they use the right kind of chemical weapon. so i can understand the administration's concern but maybe they don't realize that they are also sending a green light to bashir al assad that he can do anything short of that. >> what would it mean to try to stop chemical weapons from being used? >> i think it would have to be -- it would be very complicated. i don't think you could send enough american troops on the ground. i don't think that would be an option. you may have to try to take out the stocks from the air. we do know where a lot of them are. frankly, i don't -- i've had significant military backgr
>> i don't know why, anderson, but i think it's important to note that bashir al assad may interpret that as a green light for everything else. in other words, do everything up to but not including the use of chemical weapons. but at the same time, i do understand the concern about the use of nerve gas which is in their inventory, which depending on how heavily populated the area that they use it on, could result in unbelievable deaths that, you know, possibly in tens of thousands if they...
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you have been to aleppo, where the assad regime has a chemical weapons plant. let's get perspective from the ground and start with the regime. what is it saying about this new u.s. intelligence and now new warnings from the united states all the way up to president obama about a red line on the use of chemical weapons? >> well, the regime has historically denied that it would use any sort of chemical weapons against its own population, but that is something of an empty promise, at least from the perspective of everyone we have been speaking to about this. many of those fighters that we talked on the ground do say they do believe the greater the stranglehold they have on regime forces in the city of aleppo grows, the greater the likelihood is that in a desperate attempt to somehow either regain control or wreak mass havoc on the population, the regime would not hesitate when it comes to employing these types of weapons. and of course, when it does come to chemical warfare, there is very little if anything anyone here can do to protect themselves against that. >>
you have been to aleppo, where the assad regime has a chemical weapons plant. let's get perspective from the ground and start with the regime. what is it saying about this new u.s. intelligence and now new warnings from the united states all the way up to president obama about a red line on the use of chemical weapons? >> well, the regime has historically denied that it would use any sort of chemical weapons against its own population, but that is something of an empty promise, at least...
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he said he had a message to assad and those around him. is that a message about future potential war crimes prosecutions or is it a message trying to encourage those around him to maybe get out of town, defect? >> well, i think it is -- it's sort of both to those around him, you know. you can stand with him and run the risk of being prosecuted or killed in a conflict, or you can turn but i think it's also a message not simply to the syrians around assad, i think it is also a subtler message to the iranian regime that is clearly continuing to support assad with weapons and training and advice, though i think it's both to those immediately around him and to iran. >> bob, given the iraq history, there could be some skepticism starts talking about intelligence, weapons of mass destruction. but there are multiple sources of intelligence in this indication. how serious is this threat, the fact they're actually possibly mixing the chemical agents? >> oh, this is deadly serious. on iraq, a lot of it was hypothesis before we went in 2003, as the bu
he said he had a message to assad and those around him. is that a message about future potential war crimes prosecutions or is it a message trying to encourage those around him to maybe get out of town, defect? >> well, i think it is -- it's sort of both to those around him, you know. you can stand with him and run the risk of being prosecuted or killed in a conflict, or you can turn but i think it's also a message not simply to the syrians around assad, i think it is also a subtler...
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first, the two masters of the assad regime. iran and russia are against it. the regime of bashir aul awes youred would be taking huge risks if it started threatening the syrian population and surrounding countries with these types of weapons. also, there's a military reason why it would not necessarily make sense for bashir al assad to use chemical weapons. this, by the way, is the kind of analysis i've seen as well in other publications. chemical weapons would be difficult to deploy against a guerrilla force. why? because they fade away when confronted. you have their mixed population as well. when you aim a warhead loaded with chemical weapons at a population, who are you really targeting? it could kill even your own supporters. we have these two main reasons. >> why do you suppose we have other countries -- germany says it's going to send in soldiers to neighboring turkey. why do you suppose there is such anxiety and such fear around that country and the possibility that that could happen? >> well, within the context of what turkey asked nato for, the patr
first, the two masters of the assad regime. iran and russia are against it. the regime of bashir aul awes youred would be taking huge risks if it started threatening the syrian population and surrounding countries with these types of weapons. also, there's a military reason why it would not necessarily make sense for bashir al assad to use chemical weapons. this, by the way, is the kind of analysis i've seen as well in other publications. chemical weapons would be difficult to deploy against a...
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plus, syrian president al assad aaccuses the u.s. of manufacturing stories as a pretext for an invasion. defense secretary leon panetta responding today. after john mack cahfee is in cu, he was rushed to the hospital. and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas, bloating? yeah. one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues with three strains of good bacteria. approved! [ female announcer ] live the regular life. phillips'. [ female announcer ] live the regular life. music is a universal language. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors who get where i'm from. a
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the moral hesitancy assad may have about using them. >> regardless of what happens to al assad, we had this threat, this problem, not only to us, but to our allies in the region. turkey, jordan, israel, all worry if assad falls, there must be a plan to secure these chemical weapon sites, but we should tell our viewers that u.s. militaries understood this problem and have been planning and work wg allies over the region over the course of the last 12 months. they have been planning for it. >> thank you very much. both of you. "outfront" next, a 20-year veteran of the navy accused tonight of being a spy. why officials think he was leaking crucial secrets to the track u.s. submarines. now, this document basically not only outlined the procedures you would use to do that, but the actual technology that you would need to track u.s. submarines. it's very serious because us navy officials will often tell us where surface ships and carriers are located around the world at any particular moment. they almost never discuss where the subs are. that is classified information. now, the zimt says tha
the moral hesitancy assad may have about using them. >> regardless of what happens to al assad, we had this threat, this problem, not only to us, but to our allies in the region. turkey, jordan, israel, all worry if assad falls, there must be a plan to secure these chemical weapon sites, but we should tell our viewers that u.s. militaries understood this problem and have been planning and work wg allies over the region over the course of the last 12 months. they have been planning for it....
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plus, is al assad planning his escape. and encouragement from democrats that want hillary to run for president in 2016. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation room." >>> we begin this hour with the fiscal cliff. it's only a phone call, but it's the most notable movement we have seen. the tax hikes take effect in only 27 days. our senior congressional kor respondespo -- >> today, president obama and john boehner spoke by phone about the fiscal cliff negotiations, but there is no progress. they still have a stand off over the rates. the president still wants to raise rates on the top 2% of americans. the speaker is not moving on that position. this comes on the same day that secretary geithner made it clear in language they have not used before, just how far they're willing to go in the administration to stand by those terms. >> is the administration prepared today go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. there is no agreement without those rates going up on the top 2%. and they all get a tax cut on the first $250,000 of
plus, is al assad planning his escape. and encouragement from democrats that want hillary to run for president in 2016. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation room." >>> we begin this hour with the fiscal cliff. it's only a phone call, but it's the most notable movement we have seen. the tax hikes take effect in only 27 days. our senior congressional kor respondespo -- >> today, president obama and john boehner spoke by phone about the fiscal cliff negotiations, but...
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officials say they have long been planning for the day after assad. such as training jordanian troops to provide security but for now they just hope syrian troops will keep those chemical weapons under lock and key. but how loyal assad forces remain and for how long may be a measure of the regime's desperation. u.s. military officials believe the syrian forces are losing morale, running short on supplies but for now the killing continues. barbara starr, cnn, the pentagon. >> barbara, thank you. i want to bring in jill dougherty from ireland where the secretary of state hillary clinton held a news conference. keep in mind, russia here, really, resisted the efforts to speed the departure of the syrian leader al assad. so jill, do we know, was syria's chemical weapons, was that discussed here in this conversation between the secretary of state and the foreign minister of russia? >> reporter: well, yes. initially. there are actually two meetings between secretary clinton and the foreign minister. and you know, russia actually does -- this is one area wher
officials say they have long been planning for the day after assad. such as training jordanian troops to provide security but for now they just hope syrian troops will keep those chemical weapons under lock and key. but how loyal assad forces remain and for how long may be a measure of the regime's desperation. u.s. military officials believe the syrian forces are losing morale, running short on supplies but for now the killing continues. barbara starr, cnn, the pentagon. >> barbara,...
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the moral hesitancy assad may have about using them. >> regardless of what happens to al assad, we had this threat, this problem, not only to us, but to our allies in the region. turkey, jordan, israel, all worry if assad falls, there must be a plan to secure these chemical weapon sites, but we should tell our viewers that u.s. militaries understood this problem and have been planning and work wg allies over the region over the course of the last 12 months. they have been planning for it. >> thank you very much. both of you. "outfront" next, a 20-year veteran of the navy accused tonight of being a spy. why officials think he was leaking crucial secrets to the russians and as two states prepare to -- sir richard bransens tells us why the war on drugs has been an utter failure. [ male announcer ] introducing... a new way to save on your prescriptions. it's the aarp medicarerx saver plus plan from unitedhealthcare. with this plan, you can get copays as low as a dollar through a preferred network pharmacy like walgreens -- where you'll find 8,000 convenient locations. best of all, this pla
the moral hesitancy assad may have about using them. >> regardless of what happens to al assad, we had this threat, this problem, not only to us, but to our allies in the region. turkey, jordan, israel, all worry if assad falls, there must be a plan to secure these chemical weapon sites, but we should tell our viewers that u.s. militaries understood this problem and have been planning and work wg allies over the region over the course of the last 12 months. they have been planning for it....
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showing that the assad regime was mixing agents, mixing chemicals to make sarin gas. they're not telling us exactly what the evidence is, but what they are saying is they have multiple sources of intelligence. this suggests possibly some satellite imagery, some phone intercepts, maybe even some human sources on the ground giving them misinformation. >> at this point, what kind of military action might the united states be considering right now? >> when the president of the united states goes out there and makes a strong statement like he did today. >> that's commitment. >> you have to follow up it and do something. >> they're going to watch there carefully. when they see this move, they have to determine rapidly, what are assad's intentions. they're not sure about that right now. get other countries in the region, involved. don't forget, israel lies right over the border. the israelis may not be so patient and wait to see if the chemical weapons are going to be used. >> it's going to make everyone nervous. how deadly is sarin gas? >> 500 times more lethal than cyanide
showing that the assad regime was mixing agents, mixing chemicals to make sarin gas. they're not telling us exactly what the evidence is, but what they are saying is they have multiple sources of intelligence. this suggests possibly some satellite imagery, some phone intercepts, maybe even some human sources on the ground giving them misinformation. >> at this point, what kind of military action might the united states be considering right now? >> when the president of the united...
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head bandages, a voice says, this is the fate of your pilots, assad. this is not an isolated incident. in the same vicinity close to the city in a span of 24 hours rebels claim they not only brought down this fighter jet, but also, two helicopters. video posted to youtube shows a trail of smoke and a helicopter bursting in to flames but there's no way for us to confirm when and where this happened. these dramatic developments are a result of a pitched battle fought here at the 46 regiment base just over a week ago. for nearly two months hassan tells us they laid siege to the base after clearing the villages around it of assad's forces and positioning rebel snipers in the area. the final battle to take this massive base lasted 24 hours chls rebel fighters used artillery captured of another unit on the base firing in it to the building and ending the battle. for this rebel unit, there was a treasure trove of weaponry and most important of all, anti-aircraft missiles, hurgss of them. though not all functioning the fighters tell us. video posted to youtube
head bandages, a voice says, this is the fate of your pilots, assad. this is not an isolated incident. in the same vicinity close to the city in a span of 24 hours rebels claim they not only brought down this fighter jet, but also, two helicopters. video posted to youtube shows a trail of smoke and a helicopter bursting in to flames but there's no way for us to confirm when and where this happened. these dramatic developments are a result of a pitched battle fought here at the 46 regiment base...
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now, the assess smt that assad isn't ready to go. the u.s. says it hasn't seen anything in term of concrete offers. maybe assad's commanders think the boss is getting cold feet and might dessert them. >> next, 57% of americans say they'd vote for hillary clinton in four years. think about how cent elections have gone. that would be an incredible mandate. what does she say about iran? >>> and john mcafee still on the run after his neighbor was found murdered. martin savidge tracked him down and he is "outfront" next. sure don't you? [ nyquil bottle ] dude! [ female announcer ] tylenol® cold multi-symptom nighttime relieves nasal congestion. nyquil® cold and flu doesn't. so, the 5.3-liter v-8 silverado can tow up to 9,600 pounds? 315 horsepower. what's that in reindeer power? [ laughing ] [ stops laughing ] [ male announcer ] chevy's giving more. this holiday season, trade up to get the 2012 chevy silverado all-star edition for 0% apr financing for 60 months plus $2,000 cash allowance or get a total value of $9,000. five days later, i had a m
now, the assess smt that assad isn't ready to go. the u.s. says it hasn't seen anything in term of concrete offers. maybe assad's commanders think the boss is getting cold feet and might dessert them. >> next, 57% of americans say they'd vote for hillary clinton in four years. think about how cent elections have gone. that would be an incredible mandate. what does she say about iran? >>> and john mcafee still on the run after his neighbor was found murdered. martin savidge...
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assad could go into asylum tomorrow. the crisis would not end. if you do not have an orderly transition of power, if you have no assurance on who's in charge in syria the day after assad leaves, this problem of securing the chemical weapons becomes perhaps even more dire. >> it's sobering stuff. and bob's assessment of the power of just one shell in a city like homs. bob, i appreciate you being on. barbara starr as well. we'll continue to follow it, as well. >>> up next, while lawmakers have been battling over the fiscal cliff crisis, they managed to find time to vote on a treaty that would have protected disabled around the world. it's modeled on the americans with disabilities act. 38 republican senators blocked it with their votes. you might ask, why would they do that? we'll tell you, ahead. >>> an arrest of a death of a new york man pushed on the tracks and killed by a subway, tonight on "360" i'll talk to another man who jumped on the tracks once and saved a man's life three years ago. he says all the criticism for those who didn't help thi
assad could go into asylum tomorrow. the crisis would not end. if you do not have an orderly transition of power, if you have no assurance on who's in charge in syria the day after assad leaves, this problem of securing the chemical weapons becomes perhaps even more dire. >> it's sobering stuff. and bob's assessment of the power of just one shell in a city like homs. bob, i appreciate you being on. barbara starr as well. we'll continue to follow it, as well. >>> up next, while...
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assad could go into asylum tomorrow, the crisis would not end. if you do not have an orderly transition of power, if you have no assurance, who's in charge of syria the day after assad leaves, this part of securing the chemical weapons becomes perhaps even more dire. >> it's sobering stuff, and bob's assessment of the power of just one shell in a city like homs. we appreciate you to be on. >>> up next, while law makers have been battling over the fiscal cliff crisis, they managed to find time to vote on a treaty that would have protected disabled around the world. republicans blocked it with their vote. you might ask, why would they do that? you see, c-max helps you load your freight, with its foot-activated lift gate. but that's not all you'll see, cause c-max also beats prius v, with better mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid. of washington about the future of medicare and social security. anncr: but you deserve straight talk about the options on the... table and what they mean for you and your family. ancr: aarp is cutting
assad could go into asylum tomorrow, the crisis would not end. if you do not have an orderly transition of power, if you have no assurance, who's in charge of syria the day after assad leaves, this part of securing the chemical weapons becomes perhaps even more dire. >> it's sobering stuff, and bob's assessment of the power of just one shell in a city like homs. we appreciate you to be on. >>> up next, while law makers have been battling over the fiscal cliff crisis, they managed...
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now, the assess smt that assad isn't ready to go. the u.s. says it hasn't seen anything in term of concrete offers. maybe assad's commanders think the boss is getting cold feet and might dessert them. >> next, 57% of americans say they'd vote for hillary clinton in four years. think about how cent elections have gone. that would be an incredible mandate. what does she say about iran? >>> and john mcafee still on the run after his neighbor was found murdered. martin savidge tracked him down and he is "outfront" next. it's easy to get started; i can help you with the paperwork. um...this green line just appeared on my floor. yeah, that's fidelity helping you reach your financial goals. could you hold on a second? it's your money. roll over your old 401(k) into a fidelity ira and take control of your personal economy. this is going to be helpful. call or come in today. fidelity investments. turn here. yeah we both relieve coughs, sneezing, aches, fevers. and i relieve nasal congestion. overachiever. [ female announcer ] tylenol® cold multi-symp
now, the assess smt that assad isn't ready to go. the u.s. says it hasn't seen anything in term of concrete offers. maybe assad's commanders think the boss is getting cold feet and might dessert them. >> next, 57% of americans say they'd vote for hillary clinton in four years. think about how cent elections have gone. that would be an incredible mandate. what does she say about iran? >>> and john mcafee still on the run after his neighbor was found murdered. martin savidge...
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reiterated for quite some time if assad did anything with those chemical weapons and utilize them in any way, theat would be a red line that brought on consequences. there's not concern that bashar al assad might iutilize them against his own people but if weapons are still there terrorists could get hands on weapons and utilize those chemical weapons. you have this nbc news report. also on monday important to remind our viewers, cnn reported that they had word from u.s. officials that in fact syria had begun mixing chemical weapons and that would be done to create sarin for weapons in the future. they say there was no sign that the syrian officials were going to do anything with those weapons any time soon. important to remember that. also important to remember that the syrian regime has said yet again today that they have no intention of doing anything with chemical weapons of utilizing them against the syrian people and they also said today that any type of foreign military intervention in syria would be catastrophic for the region. >> let me ask you. you are in lebanon and that's
reiterated for quite some time if assad did anything with those chemical weapons and utilize them in any way, theat would be a red line that brought on consequences. there's not concern that bashar al assad might iutilize them against his own people but if weapons are still there terrorists could get hands on weapons and utilize those chemical weapons. you have this nbc news report. also on monday important to remind our viewers, cnn reported that they had word from u.s. officials that in fact...
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her father says she thought the rebel fighters with us were assad's forces. despite his efforts to reassure her, she's still anxious and with reason. he was shot in the arm as a checkpoint. the bullet was going to hit my daughter, he tells us. but i had just put my arm around her. she, just 4 years old, blinks hard, yes. she ended up drenched in her father's blood. as gunfire rings out again, her father takes away the bullet casings she's collected. nearby, a woman who doesn't want to be filmed takes me aside. sometimes i want to die, rather than live like this, she whispers. >> arwa damon is joining us now from northern syria. arwa, what about these reports -- you've heard the secretary of state talking about it -- that the syrian regime may be moving around their chemical weapons. if they are, that's a red line that the u.s. will have to deal with. are the rebels where you are concerned that bashar al assad's regime could use chemical weapons against them? >> reporter: they most certainly are, wolf. first of all, they believe that this regime will do just a
her father says she thought the rebel fighters with us were assad's forces. despite his efforts to reassure her, she's still anxious and with reason. he was shot in the arm as a checkpoint. the bullet was going to hit my daughter, he tells us. but i had just put my arm around her. she, just 4 years old, blinks hard, yes. she ended up drenched in her father's blood. as gunfire rings out again, her father takes away the bullet casings she's collected. nearby, a woman who doesn't want to be filmed...
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we also don't know at what point would the assad regime re-sort to using sarin. it's my hypothesis that they will if they start getting slaughtered. it could happen. they will use it. >> sanjay, for people at risk in areas where assad regime might use them r or could use them or some other group, what can they do to protect themselves? is there something you can do? >> they don't have access to medications, the at row peen for for example. you have to goit of the area, which sounds simplistic. because it's odorless and tasteless and hard to detect, you have to get out of the area. you can get poisoned by ingestion and inhaling and touching it. it can be on your clothes, for example. you get out of the way and take off your clothes or anything exposed to it. soap and water and try to rinse your body. it's a heavier gas as compared to what else is in the area, so it lingers closer to the ground. getting to higher elevation can help. these sound like simplistic things but short of a medication given right away, there's not much else to do. >> it's really scary stuff
we also don't know at what point would the assad regime re-sort to using sarin. it's my hypothesis that they will if they start getting slaughtered. it could happen. they will use it. >> sanjay, for people at risk in areas where assad regime might use them r or could use them or some other group, what can they do to protect themselves? is there something you can do? >> they don't have access to medications, the at row peen for for example. you have to goit of the area, which sounds...
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if anything, i think assad may be a prisoner of his security establishment. i don't think he will be pushed aside by his aides. >> when do the nato forces and nato troops come in? it has to happen. >> i don't think they're going to go in on the ground. i think we're going to see patriot missiles in turkey. we may see other help, intelligence assistance for the rebels. we're not going to see nato troops on the ground. >> it's going to be an interesting few weeks, i think. >>> let's move quickly to egypt. a lot of difficult scenarios there developing, with president morsi, apparently, showing a few traits of mubarak, with the executive orders he's giving himself. did he need to do this? and what is the fallout going to be here? the big protests all through cairo are the eruptions in egypt. >> he blew it. first of all, the grab for power from the judges. he compounded that today, by allowing his people, the muslim brotherhood to go out and crack heads. several people appear to have been killed. he's made things worse for himself. but that said, this is the first
if anything, i think assad may be a prisoner of his security establishment. i don't think he will be pushed aside by his aides. >> when do the nato forces and nato troops come in? it has to happen. >> i don't think they're going to go in on the ground. i think we're going to see patriot missiles in turkey. we may see other help, intelligence assistance for the rebels. we're not going to see nato troops on the ground. >> it's going to be an interesting few weeks, i think....
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is it possible at all that this man, this mad man, bashar al assad, is bluffing? >> oh, i don't think he's bluffing. we have to consider what he represents and that's a very small community, which feels under threat. it thinks it will be destroyed by sunni fundamentalists if it loses damascus or any other big cities. they have their backs to the wall. they say among themselves that when it comes to their lives or killing the rebels they will kill the rebels. in other words, yes, they will use the sarin, i've been dealing with the people for 30 years, they're almost a cult. what seems to us completely irrational decision, they're capable of. i don't know whether they have reached this point or not, but if things get bad enough in syria, i have no dowd they'll use it. >> on this sarin gas, i was reading about it, apparently there are two key components that make this gas and they're held separately, kept separately. you mix them together, it makes for a very potent formula. what kind of damage can sarin gas inflict? >> well, if it was artillery shell were dropped in
is it possible at all that this man, this mad man, bashar al assad, is bluffing? >> oh, i don't think he's bluffing. we have to consider what he represents and that's a very small community, which feels under threat. it thinks it will be destroyed by sunni fundamentalists if it loses damascus or any other big cities. they have their backs to the wall. they say among themselves that when it comes to their lives or killing the rebels they will kill the rebels. in other words, yes, they will...
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we also don't know at what point would the assad regime resort the using sarin. it's my hypothesis they will if they're starting to get slaughtered. it could happen. they will use it. >> sanjay, for people who are at risk, i mean in areas where the assad regime could or might use them or another group, what can they do to protect themselves? is there something to do to prepro tekt yourself? >> they presumably don't have access to the medication. you have to get out of the area but keep in mind this -- because it's odorless and tasteless and very hard to detect, you have to get out of area and also because you can get poisoned again by ingestion and inhaling or simply touching it, it can be on the clothes, the clothes could be a vehicle so you get out of the way. you take off your clothes or anything that may have been exposed to it, soap and water, rinse your body as much as also. one thing is it's a heavier gas compared to that what's in that area and lingers closer to the ground and getting to higher elevation can help. it sounds simplistic but short of a medic
we also don't know at what point would the assad regime resort the using sarin. it's my hypothesis they will if they're starting to get slaughtered. it could happen. they will use it. >> sanjay, for people who are at risk, i mean in areas where the assad regime could or might use them or another group, what can they do to protect themselves? is there something to do to prepro tekt yourself? >> they presumably don't have access to the medication. you have to get out of the area but...
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ready to do it. >> will providing arms to the opposition convince the people who support bashar al assad in many cases because they are afraid of their own existence, or will it simply lead to more fighting? that is the question that we are considering. >> it's a crucial question. "outfront" tonight, alex, author and former reporter for the "the new york times" and seth jones. good to see you. seth, there's a lot of things we don't know about the rebels. as that point just made clear. james clapper, the director of national intelligence had warned congress that some of the attacks we've seen in syria bore the hallmarks of al qaeda. there have been atrocities committed by these rebels. there appear to be no question about that. executions. a new video posted yesterday showed a man filming himself while he shot ten unarmed prisoners. should we arm the rebels? >> well, i think we should arm and this is not just about arming. this discussion seems to overlook the fact that the rebels need intelligence, supplies. the challenge though is that the largest opposition movement is the free syrian
ready to do it. >> will providing arms to the opposition convince the people who support bashar al assad in many cases because they are afraid of their own existence, or will it simply lead to more fighting? that is the question that we are considering. >> it's a crucial question. "outfront" tonight, alex, author and former reporter for the "the new york times" and seth jones. good to see you. seth, there's a lot of things we don't know about the rebels. as that...
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would bashar al assad use them? >> it's an important question. i'm wondering, erin, whether this was a regime decision. you know, this activity surrounding chemical weapons, or they saw a local commander, perhaps, doing some things. and the international community wanted to send a message to everybody, including the assad regime, saying that one of your local commanders may be getting out of line here and may use these weapons. you better crack down on it. so it's not quite clear. the government knows more than we do but outside, it's not quite clear exactly what they were trying to get at here. obviously, stop the use of chemical weapons, but who was going to use them? what their intent was, we still don't know that outside. >> right. and certainly i would imagine how secure they are considering that rebels have links to al qaeda or extremist groups. there's lots of risks. and sources are saying that his mood may be at this point, look, i'm going to end up being killed anyway. if i try to leave, i'm going to be killed by my own people and they s
would bashar al assad use them? >> it's an important question. i'm wondering, erin, whether this was a regime decision. you know, this activity surrounding chemical weapons, or they saw a local commander, perhaps, doing some things. and the international community wanted to send a message to everybody, including the assad regime, saying that one of your local commanders may be getting out of line here and may use these weapons. you better crack down on it. so it's not quite clear. the...
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now, the assessment is that assad isn't ready to go. the u.s. says it hasn't seen anything in term of concrete asylum offers. maybe assad's commanders think the boss is getting cold feet and might dessert them. >> barbara starr, thank you very much. >>> "out front" next, 57% of americans say they would vote for hillary clinton in four years. think about recent elections have gone. that would be an incredible mandate. what does she say about iran? >>> and john mcafee still on the run after his neighbor was found murdered. martin savidge tracked him down and he is "outfront" next. c-max, you see, c-max helps you load your freight, with its foot-activated lift gate. but that's not all you'll see, cause c-max also beats prius v, with better mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid. i have a cold... i took dayquil, but i still have a runny nose. [ male announcer ] truth is, dayquil doesn't work on runny noses. what? [ male announcer ] it doesn't have an antihistamine. really? [ male announcer ] really. alka-seltzer plus cold and cough
now, the assessment is that assad isn't ready to go. the u.s. says it hasn't seen anything in term of concrete asylum offers. maybe assad's commanders think the boss is getting cold feet and might dessert them. >> barbara starr, thank you very much. >>> "out front" next, 57% of americans say they would vote for hillary clinton in four years. think about recent elections have gone. that would be an incredible mandate. what does she say about iran? >>> and john...
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how do we know that bashar al assad isn't doing the same thing right now? how do we know that the intelligence that the u.s., the international community is getting is really accurate that there are wmd stockpiles, weapons of mass destruction, sarin gas, mustard gas, in syrian? >> wolf, the key thing right now is that if assad is putting up a front, we're not going to know that unless we have good solid human intelligence on the ground. and that begins with interrogations of the key personnel that are involved, the scientists, research and development community, the military leaders, the commanders, that as fran indicated would give the directives to pull the triggers. those guys have to be rounded up. and you have to conduct interrogations. that's very tough. that's kind of basic intelligence work. and it doesn't start until you get on the ground and you start interrogating those guys. >> there's always concern. i remember there was a guy named curve ball providing the u.s. information supposedly about saddam hussein's wmd. >> it was one source. >> but he
how do we know that bashar al assad isn't doing the same thing right now? how do we know that the intelligence that the u.s., the international community is getting is really accurate that there are wmd stockpiles, weapons of mass destruction, sarin gas, mustard gas, in syrian? >> wolf, the key thing right now is that if assad is putting up a front, we're not going to know that unless we have good solid human intelligence on the ground. and that begins with interrogations of the key...
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we're really counting on the russians here. >> you know assad. is he the type of person that in the right situation would use chemical weapons on his own people if the option was losing and being ousted? >> it's really impossible to tell. the syrian government spokespeople have been saying over the last couple of days under no circumstances would they use them except for foreign military intervention but assad is desperate. his back is against the wall. he is going to lose in this civil war. rebels have made extraordinary advances over the last couple of days. he has got to be thinking about either exile, war perhaps, creating an enclave within syria where his clan can defend themselves perhaps along the mediterranean coast. >> before we run out of time, i want to talk about egypt and mohamed morsi and what's happening in cairo. things seem pretty calm at this moment. last night the clashes were very violent over this proposed constitution. where do you think this ends? >> it's a power struggle. and morsi's called a december 14th referendum on th
we're really counting on the russians here. >> you know assad. is he the type of person that in the right situation would use chemical weapons on his own people if the option was losing and being ousted? >> it's really impossible to tell. the syrian government spokespeople have been saying over the last couple of days under no circumstances would they use them except for foreign military intervention but assad is desperate. his back is against the wall. he is going to lose in this...
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they managed to clear all the villages around the base of assad loyalists, of assad fighters. they then positioned snipers around the base, preventing, they tell us, from regime helicopters from bringing in supplies to this unit. they were forced then to air drop supplies to the unit, and they would often miss the target and the supplies would end into opposition hands. and when they were weak enough, they moved in. they say they captured a treasure trove of weapons from this location. heavy machine guns, ak-47s, but most importantly of all anti-aircraft missiles. they say they found hundreds of them even though they're not all functioning. video shows stacks of metal box boxes. at this point, rthe regime hat military advantage, but many tell us the balance is beginning to ever so slightly shift. >> is there a hard sense, you're there on the ground in northern syria, that one of these sides, the regime or the opposition has the upper hand right now where you are in northern syria? >> the rebels are slowly, slowly gaining ground. but at this point in time the regime has the adv
they managed to clear all the villages around the base of assad loyalists, of assad fighters. they then positioned snipers around the base, preventing, they tell us, from regime helicopters from bringing in supplies to this unit. they were forced then to air drop supplies to the unit, and they would often miss the target and the supplies would end into opposition hands. and when they were weak enough, they moved in. they say they captured a treasure trove of weapons from this location. heavy...
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this as president obama warns syrian president bashar al assad that there will be serious consequences if he uses chemical weapons against his own weapon. >> this regime is a real problem for us. its alliance with iran, its possession of chemical weapons, weapons of mass destruction. its human rights record, its support of terrorism. this is a regime we would like to get out of the way. we don't want to see it replaced with people we don't support either. >>> the syrian foreign ministry denies they have plans to use chemical weapons. >>> the family of jovan belcher is speaking publically for the first time since he fatally shot his girl friend and killed himself. belcher's sister and uncle stood by his aunt as she spoke outside the home where the football star lived with 22-year-old kasandra perkins and their 3-month-old daughter. >> we will cherish the wonderful memories we have of javon and pray those memory also bring us peace as we grapple to understand the unpredictable and tragic ending of his life and the life of kasandra perkins. >> kansas city police confirm that the gun used
this as president obama warns syrian president bashar al assad that there will be serious consequences if he uses chemical weapons against his own weapon. >> this regime is a real problem for us. its alliance with iran, its possession of chemical weapons, weapons of mass destruction. its human rights record, its support of terrorism. this is a regime we would like to get out of the way. we don't want to see it replaced with people we don't support either. >>> the syrian foreign...
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there are new concerns the assad regime is preparing to use chemical weapons. let's get to our pentagon correspondent barbara starr. barbara, how does this change the u.s. military's syria plan? are we talking u.s. troops, boots on the ground? >> well, not at this point, clearly, deb. but what we do know is that u.s. officials tell us that they are updating some of the military options for action against syria's chemical weapons capability, why are they doing this? of course, we chatted about this in the last several days. officials say they do have the intelligence now that syria has filled aerial bombs with deadly sarin gas. haven't moved it to airplanes yet, but this is very concerning because that, of course, would be the next step. so once you have the deadly bombs, the u.s. has to look at what the options could be, what they might want to target to essentially take out that kind of capabilities. so that's the options that are now being worked on. deb? >> i mean, the implications are just stunning that the assad regime would actually use deadly gas on its
there are new concerns the assad regime is preparing to use chemical weapons. let's get to our pentagon correspondent barbara starr. barbara, how does this change the u.s. military's syria plan? are we talking u.s. troops, boots on the ground? >> well, not at this point, clearly, deb. but what we do know is that u.s. officials tell us that they are updating some of the military options for action against syria's chemical weapons capability, why are they doing this? of course, we chatted...
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and really just send a signal to assad that this will only have one outcome. the important thing here is that is to show that in the end it is a matter of time. it's -- it's when and not if. now there are also, i think, signs that for russia and china, i think they would be prepared, possibly, to look at a way you could manage an outcome of this, so that you get some form of agreement that -- >> provide asylum, we're getting him out -- >> -- but for the rest of the world, such are the consequences of this disintegration are happening, most people look at any reason to get him out, get a new form of democratic constitution in, and then try and stabilize the situation. >> i'm going to make a very sharp turn to talk about something much more joyful, which is the news of the oil baby, whose birth is impending. we know that catherine is in the hospital now. what is the -- what's it like in, in london, in great britain, with this kind of news? people must just be going insane. >> well, you know, britain loves the royal family. so, and people are very happy, very joy
and really just send a signal to assad that this will only have one outcome. the important thing here is that is to show that in the end it is a matter of time. it's -- it's when and not if. now there are also, i think, signs that for russia and china, i think they would be prepared, possibly, to look at a way you could manage an outcome of this, so that you get some form of agreement that -- >> provide asylum, we're getting him out -- >> -- but for the rest of the world, such are...
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i think if the united states get more involved, turkey, ipg the assad regime will fall eventually, but then the question is how long will the fighting continue among the rest of the groups. that's where the length of time kicks in. >> you think the jordanians are going to be happy with training camps? >> they've already provided assistance and have provided limited trading to opposition. yes, i think they're there. >> next, a gruelling day of cross-examination for the man at the center of the wikileaks classified investigation. bradley manning accused of leaking thousands of documents that ended up on julian assange's website. and the world of espionage takes a strange turn. fish, animal, drones. meet the 5-passenger ford c-max hybrid. when you're carrying a lot of weight, c-max has a nice little trait, you see, c-max helps you load your freight, with its foot-activated lift gate. but that's not all you'll see, cause c-max also beats prius v, with better mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid. hurry in and try five succulent entrees, like our tender snow crab paired wi
i think if the united states get more involved, turkey, ipg the assad regime will fall eventually, but then the question is how long will the fighting continue among the rest of the groups. that's where the length of time kicks in. >> you think the jordanians are going to be happy with training camps? >> they've already provided assistance and have provided limited trading to opposition. yes, i think they're there. >> next, a gruelling day of cross-examination for the man at...
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and does this mean the end is near for bashar al assad? >> i don't think anybody can say the end is near for bashar al assad. he's got a lot of tanks, a lot of aircraft, a lot of firepower. what we're seeing from the united states is more of a concern that events are moving very swiftly on the ground. the u.s. wants to be able, at the end of all of this to have some influence, some input into what comes next there. not having supplied any arms up to this point, they don't have much influence. they're beginning to wonder, do we need to have more and how do we get it? they're still very concerned who are the rebels, who do they represent, are these al qaeda forces, we don't want our arms falling into the wrong hands. that's a paramount concern for washington. >> this guy's the best. thank you, jim clancy. appreciate it, shirt. >>> shocking numbers to tell you about, 25,000 people missing in mexico. up next, details on how these missing person cases are being linked to the drug cartels there. make a wish! i wish we could lie here forever. i w
and does this mean the end is near for bashar al assad? >> i don't think anybody can say the end is near for bashar al assad. he's got a lot of tanks, a lot of aircraft, a lot of firepower. what we're seeing from the united states is more of a concern that events are moving very swiftly on the ground. the u.s. wants to be able, at the end of all of this to have some influence, some input into what comes next there. not having supplied any arms up to this point, they don't have much...
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they managed to clear the base of the assad loyalists and fighters. they then positioned snipers around the base, preventing, they were telling us, regime helicopters from bringing in supplies and food. they were forced to air drop supplies to this unit that was trying to keep a grip on the base. but often times they would leave supplies, when they felt the enemy was weak enough that is when they finally moved in. and they're telling us they captured a treasure trove of weapons here, machine guns, ak-47. but most importantly, the aircraft missiles, they say they found hundreds of them. even though they're not all functioning. in fact, there was video on t e youtube right after it took place, of anti-aircraft, and missiles, they had the advantage simply because of the sheer size of the arsenal, many say the balance is shifting. >> is there a sense, that one of the sides, the regime, the opposition has the upper hand where you are right now in syria? >> reporter: the rebels are slowly, slowly gaining ground. but at the same time, they have the advantage
they managed to clear the base of the assad loyalists and fighters. they then positioned snipers around the base, preventing, they were telling us, regime helicopters from bringing in supplies and food. they were forced to air drop supplies to this unit that was trying to keep a grip on the base. but often times they would leave supplies, when they felt the enemy was weak enough that is when they finally moved in. and they're telling us they captured a treasure trove of weapons here, machine...
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will assad do this as a last hoorah. and what will america do if it comes to it? >> i don't think we're being duped by the administration. there's a difference from 2003 in iraq. and the bush administration was eager to go into iraq. these days, the last thing the obama administration wants to do is go into iraq. in terms of will syria actually use them? i don't think we have any idea. what we do know, is they're not useful militarily. they're helpful in an negotiation, about getting them out. it's hard to see how they advance his cause. >> assad would face complete obliteration if he does this. and some say he wants asylum in venezuela or whatever. he's not a stupid man. why would he risk the wrath of the world ascending on him? >> it's hard to see how this advances his cause, except as part of the negotiation. if you're trying to get a better deal for your family, then, maybe it's useful. >> would this create an internal coup, with his background? i don't know how sane he is or not, and what he's done. he's killing his own people. he's butchering his own people.
will assad do this as a last hoorah. and what will america do if it comes to it? >> i don't think we're being duped by the administration. there's a difference from 2003 in iraq. and the bush administration was eager to go into iraq. these days, the last thing the obama administration wants to do is go into iraq. in terms of will syria actually use them? i don't think we have any idea. what we do know, is they're not useful militarily. they're helpful in an negotiation, about getting them...
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that is after now confirmed reports emerging from syria that forces loyal to president bashir al assad are preparing bombs with chemical weapons. syrian soldiers fighting with rebels for control over the outskirts of damascus. now, witnesses tell cnn that 30 people were killed today in street battles across syria. we're also learning about a car bombing in the city of homs and a horrible, horrible discovery. dozens of bodies believed to be victims of a massacre. the same time rebel fighters, they are taking on syrian forces literally house to house in the country's largest city. that is aleppo, and that is where we find our arwa damon today. >> reporter: for two months the streets here have been a war zone. part of a bigger battle for control of aleppo, syria's largest city. this father of four is one of the rebel fighters here. this is our country, our homes that are being destroyed, he tells us. he used to sell thread. now he runs logistics for his unit. so what he is explaining to us is that this was street to street fighting, and it took his unit quite some time to advance and righ
that is after now confirmed reports emerging from syria that forces loyal to president bashir al assad are preparing bombs with chemical weapons. syrian soldiers fighting with rebels for control over the outskirts of damascus. now, witnesses tell cnn that 30 people were killed today in street battles across syria. we're also learning about a car bombing in the city of homs and a horrible, horrible discovery. dozens of bodies believed to be victims of a massacre. the same time rebel fighters,...
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increasing the fear that bashar al assad's embattled regime may be preparing to use chemical weapons against its opponents. nbc news reports that syria's military loaded the component chemical for the deadly nerve gas cerron into bombs that could be used in fighter jets. they reported that syrian forces started combining chemical that could be used to make that gas for weapons. >>> here at home, big news in the state of washington. it's the first state in the nation to legalize the recreational use of marijuana. voters approved a ballot initiative last month making it legal for adults to possess up to an ounce of marijuana. the new law took effect at midnight and people marked the occasion with a pot party at seattle space needle overnight. it's not a blanket license to smoke pot anywhere anytime. cnn's miguel marquez has been up all night, live in seattle for us. so it's not illegal to smoke marijuana but the whole distribution network of marijuana and the distribution and sale of marijuana is still illegal. there's a big asterisk here for recreational pot users. >> reporter: for no
increasing the fear that bashar al assad's embattled regime may be preparing to use chemical weapons against its opponents. nbc news reports that syria's military loaded the component chemical for the deadly nerve gas cerron into bombs that could be used in fighter jets. they reported that syrian forces started combining chemical that could be used to make that gas for weapons. >>> here at home, big news in the state of washington. it's the first state in the nation to legalize the...
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you can imagine a situation where the assad government picks a fight to widen the conflict. i don't know why they would do that but maybe they've come up with a theory that gives them a better shot at survival. maybe there's an intervention that freezes the regime in its current state. but dying regime with their back against the wall, those are unpredictable and dangerous regimes. i think all options are possible. i don't mean options on the table, but i mean there are a lot of different scene ae aeros could go baedly. it's more dangerous than the iranian situation right now. >> not good to hear. jim walsh, thank you for touching on all three of those top news stories for us. appreciate your insight this afternoon. we should add to the story as well that nato secretary-general says that the defensive missiles could be in place on the turk yishg syrian border in just weeks. in the meantime, the news out of syria from the opposition, 123 more people have been killed across syria so far just today. we're only midday. apparently 30 of them children in a refugee camp. americans
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but as one rebel commander put it, the longer assad stays in power, the more powerful these groups are going to grow. that's going to become a problem that neither the syrian opposition nor the united states is -- or any other western or other nation is going to want to see materialize. given just how volatile the region already is. as long as the battle takes place. as long as the extreme fighters are the ones willing to take up arms in some cases bringing in significant amounts of money with them. that is all the opposition has to turn to. they are trying to control these groups. but they will admit they're very frustrated and disgruntled by this. these various students do not follow the rebel chain of command. they're not necessarily following orders by the syrian army. they may be trying to reign them in, they're growing more powerful by the day. >> stay safe arwa, thank you very much. she's doing an amazing job for all of us. >>> the looming fiscal cliff could force politicians to make some tough decisions. one of the hardest could involve a popular tax break enjoyed by millions o
but as one rebel commander put it, the longer assad stays in power, the more powerful these groups are going to grow. that's going to become a problem that neither the syrian opposition nor the united states is -- or any other western or other nation is going to want to see materialize. given just how volatile the region already is. as long as the battle takes place. as long as the extreme fighters are the ones willing to take up arms in some cases bringing in significant amounts of money with...
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her father says she thought the rebel fighters with us were assad's forces. despite his efforts to reassure her, she is still anxious, and with reason. salah was shot a checkpoint. the bullet was going to hit my daughter, he tells us, but i had just put my arm around her. she just 4 years old blinks hard. yes, she ended up drenched from her father's blood. as gunfire rings out again, her father takes away the bullet casings she's collected. nearby a woman who doesn't want to be filmed takes me aside. sometimes i want to die rather than live like this, she whispers. arwa damon, cnn, aleppo. right. perfection is in the details. ♪ get to holiday fun faster with pillsbury cookie dough. humans -- sometimes life trips us up. and sometimes, we trip ourselves up, but that's okay. at liberty mutual insurance we can "untrip" you as you go through your life with personalized policies and discounts when you need them most. just call... and speak with a licensed representative about saving on your policy when you get married, move into a new house... [crash!] or add a c
her father says she thought the rebel fighters with us were assad's forces. despite his efforts to reassure her, she is still anxious, and with reason. salah was shot a checkpoint. the bullet was going to hit my daughter, he tells us, but i had just put my arm around her. she just 4 years old blinks hard. yes, she ended up drenched from her father's blood. as gunfire rings out again, her father takes away the bullet casings she's collected. nearby a woman who doesn't want to be filmed takes me...
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>> the question right now, is this latest action directed from the assad regime or could it be rogue elements? what if the rebels get this stuff. >> they have a battery. >> the -- up until now the actual chemical stockpiles are said, said to be secure by the most elite forces of the regime and not letting them out of their sight. everybody's trying to figure out what it means. >> oh dear god, thank you for that, i guess. good to see you in person. >> nice to see you. >> egypt now. southward. not great there either. the actions by that country's highest court are now on hold indefinitely. the judges blocked from entering the court building in cairo yesterday by supporters of president morsi. now they say they won't come back to work until they don't fear for their lives. the court expected the rule on the legitimacy of the group that just finished drawing up the new constitution. a separate group of judges, supreme judicial council, delegating judges for the referendum and scheduled for december 15th. stay tuned to that. >>> in britain, a big thank you from a young schoolgirl to many
>> the question right now, is this latest action directed from the assad regime or could it be rogue elements? what if the rebels get this stuff. >> they have a battery. >> the -- up until now the actual chemical stockpiles are said, said to be secure by the most elite forces of the regime and not letting them out of their sight. everybody's trying to figure out what it means. >> oh dear god, thank you for that, i guess. good to see you in person. >> nice to see...
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concerns that the assad repeople may be cooking up recipes, mixing materials for chemicals. that possible preparation is taking place at more than one chemical plant in syria, officials say. u.s. intelligence shows nothing has been moved out of the facilities, however. and officials say there is no indication syria is on the verge of using chemical we papoweapon. in turkey monday, russian president putin called the deploy ment of the patriot missiles unnecessary. but tuesday, the russian foreign minister said any use of chemical weapons has grave implications. while down playing reports about syria. >> translator: we can call them rumors, but the syrian authorities are moving a stockpile of chemical weapons or that they want to use them. as soon as we hear such messages, we prepare. >> reporter: secretary of state hillary clinton spent the day meeting with her fellow ministers as they approved a plan to provide turkey with the missiles. nato says the number of missiles and their precise location along the border still needs to be worked out. it could be weeks before the equi
concerns that the assad repeople may be cooking up recipes, mixing materials for chemicals. that possible preparation is taking place at more than one chemical plant in syria, officials say. u.s. intelligence shows nothing has been moved out of the facilities, however. and officials say there is no indication syria is on the verge of using chemical we papoweapon. in turkey monday, russian president putin called the deploy ment of the patriot missiles unnecessary. but tuesday, the russian...